Stop living a life that was decided for you by others, and start living a life of your own design. 

Tracee White had a rewarding and exciting career in corporate American for years. Even with all the success she obtained, she knew something was missing. She realized she never designed her own life. The Bucket List concept has been a key tool for her in recreating her life. In today's conversation, we dive deep into bucket listing and how it can mean so much more than just some wild things to do before you kick in the can.

Tracee is a certified Bucket List Coach trained to change people's perception, wake them up and help them live a Bucket List Life.  #TickitB4Ukickit!

Connect with Tracee:
tracee@bucketlistcoach.com

www.bucketlistcoach.com/tracee-white

Transcript:

CMC - Tracee White- 6:8:20, 8.48 AM

Mon, 7/27 11:28AM • 40:09

00:00

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00:59

Everyone, welcome

00:59

to another episode of Call me crazy. Today, we're so excited to welcome on Tracy white. She's the founder of bucket list coach, and she helps people design design their life purposefully. So we're really excited to talk to you today. Welcome, Tracy.

01:16

Thank you, Erin. Thank you so very, very much. And yes, call me crazy. I'm sitting in Australia where it is 6am talking to you on this fabulous podcast watching the sunrise. So you know, call me crazy.

01:32

Yes, you're perfect. I love it. You got a bright and early to get on the right time zone. So thank you. What started in this business. I really love your approach of designing a life by your own design, not just by default that really stood out to me. So you want to give us a little bit about your background and what Yes,

01:50

sure, sure. So I sort of spent 35 years of my life on what I call a corporate Ferris wheel as a hamster. Where I loved every role I had in an organization, but I never felt fulfilled. I was always looking for what can I do next? What can I do next? Who can I help next? So most of my life was spent working in the human resources and learning development space, where my passion is to help people to be their absolute best that they can. And I just never felt fulfilled. And Fast Forward 35 years I stepped out of the corporate Ferris wheel and decided to become what I call a retiree printer. So I had retired but I knew there was still a bit more energy left in the old girl wasn't I wasn't quite sure what it was at the time. And and to be honest, the first 12 months when you step out of corporate life are a big chunk of your life. You do go through what I call depression. You step back and you go, my phone's not ringing anymore. my inbox isn't full anymore. I'm spending more time with my family. Wow. Yeah, well, you know, the people that know me, I'm a very black and white person. It was frightening. It was, hey, what's my worse now? How am I helping people? So fortunately, I had a connection with a company based in the UK called common purpose and it's a nonprofit. And we we help students develop their what we call cultural intelligence. So I was able to start doing some work in some universities here in Australia with common purpose. So like I started define my purpose. Again, it's up on a stage I was meeting with students I interact with people again. Yeah, this this is really cool. But there was still that gap of I'm not fulfilling my life as Tracy why, what there's something missing. So, the connection to bucketlist listing came about, because I invited the number one the world's number one bucket with sky trap Bell, who is actually our founder. I would love to claim Aaron that I was the founder of this, but I must give treadmill absolute credit for this. He came along as a guest speaker, and absolutely Wow. a room full of close to 500 students in less than an hour about how to fulfill their life. And I sat on that stage and thought this is something I need to be a part of. And basically the bucket listing is all about helping People lead a more fulfilled life. And so traveling, I had a conversation afterwards and fast forward six months down the track. I'm now certified backwards coach. And I've fulfilled that gap in my life. Oh,

05:16

yeah. Love Story. I love that. I can't wait to hear what's on your bucket.

05:21

Well, I'm just gonna I was just gonna say because it sounds like when Aaron moved over from her full time job in retail, she missed the structure of what she had, you know, she goes to work at a certain time she has these meetings, but I always people know, I know, but you missed it. And I think when we started our business, you kept searching for the structure and how to organize your life a little bit more. So there was still that structure even in this crazy world of entrepreneurship. You still searched for the comfort I guess of the structure.

06:00

Well, I really, when you explain the when you were saying, Oh, I miss like my emails and my messages, I thought of exactly what Michael just said, when I, my company closed. And for the first time I was out of corporate America after, like eight to 10 years, I was like freaking out, like, what is my life? You know, so I totally relate. And it's tough to rebuild and really ask those tough questions. And I guess making a bucket list would be a really good idea. Even even now, like after doing dope dog and our company for almost three years, I can still feel sometimes, like what is all that? You know, what's the purpose? What's my life?

06:40

And how often do we actually sit down and take the time to step out and plan our life by design? I mean, it's up until six months ago, my life had been by default. Mm hmm. I've had some amazing opportunities. I spent a year offshore in Dubai, I spent two years in Charlotte, North Carolina. I've had an amazing career being to amazing places around the world. But I wasn't designing that you're in my organization's designing that. I mean, I might say, Oh, look, I'm going somewhere. And I'd like to stay over for the weekend. And I might get to see somewhere like Petra in Jordan and be very excited and fulfill, but that still wasn't me designing what I was going to do and what was going to make me feel fulfilled.

07:32

And what were the first steps you took to start, like designing your life and really having that structure because I think for a lot of people even say you're retiring or you lost your job or you're becoming an entrepreneur, I think a lot of times, you don't know what to do, sometimes it's just like I wake up and I got to do all this and kind of next day, it's just snowball effect and it's all there and sometimes it is nice to just hear it. What I can do and within that structure, I can still be creative and still do what I want. It doesn't have to be, you know, nine to five. But how did? How did that start coming around? And how did you start figuring that out?

08:11

I started to figure it out Michael, basically through listening to people, people that had been through it, so I can remember my stepfather when he gave up work. He became a completely different person. So he had worked all his life. And then when he retired, he just stopped engaging in society. He became what I would call with all due respect a couch potato. And I just had in the back of my mind, that's not me, there's no way I'm going to end up like that. And where I've actually retired to is a very small coastal town, a population of 800 people maximum, wow. And to go from huge cities to a city More country town talk also a lot of adjusting, thinking, I'll never get to see any culture again, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I have to say one of the big pluses of our current COVID-19 situation is, I now know my community a lot better. I now know what cultural and neighborhood things are happening, because we had to during self isolation. But back to your question, Michael, I listen to people, I watched people, I saw people in my community and in the broader sense, who were happy and thought, and I would sit down and go and say to them, can I have a cup of coffee with you? I'd really like to understand how you have settled in and retired in a smaller community. So I listened to people and that's everyone is always said to me, I'll get into the lift and I'll start talking to anyone. It's like, Oh, okay. Why are you talking to that person? Do you know them? Everybody has a story to tell. And we always learn from the stories that are told. So that's basically all I did. I listened for the first 12 months, I still felt very down. But as each story was building, and each example was given to me of how you can lead a better life, and this is the full bucket listing, this was sort of the start of it was happening before the bucket listing even came in. So believe in karma. Everything started to connect together. So meeting Trev, deciding to become a certified bucket list coach, just all aligned, and now I continue to listen to people. One of the things that was on my bucket list was to learn how to be a better storyteller. So during COVID-19, our local library ran an online storytelling program and we had some Aboriginal elders share with us how to tell stories, the old way When it was just beautiful, there are so many beautiful things in this world that you can put on your bucket list that just come into your life, whether they come into the feed on social media, or somebody you meet when you're out buying your groceries. So yeah, yeah, that's that's basically how it all came together.

11:16

And with the bucket list are these like, you know, I'm going to skydive one day are these more personal bucket list how how does the bucket listing work? Because I guess for us, like, you know, we say like, Oh, yeah, that's on my bucket list one day to like, you know, climb Mount Everest or something like that. Not Not for me, but I'm just saying those are like, the normal things you usually hear in the real world of bucket listing. What does that look like?

11:43

Okay, so in the real world of bucket listing, so people normally associate bucket listing with things you need to do before you die. It is let's be frank. It's you know, let's not hide behind the hips. What we need what we want to do. Yeah, chillin. more fulfilled life before we die. So we have what we call the my bucket list blueprint. So for each letter, the acronym my bucket list stands for something significant that you want to achieve in your lifetime. So let's take an example of M, which stands for major personal hero. So Michael, who is a personal hero of yours that you would like to need hashtag ticket before you kick it.

12:31

Interesting. I honestly never thought I mean, I just finished all of Ryan holidays books, so I would probably want to meet him and chat with him because I read all his books he wrote, as I meet him, that'd be on my bucket list.

12:44

Yeah, yeah. So your basic driver is you want to meet him because you've read his books and you admire him?

12:52

Yeah, I think it'd be an interesting conversation is a good perspective on life in the world. And I think it'd be very interesting to have a conversation.

13:00

Absolutely. So what you would do is find a photograph of him a Google document, we pop that up there on your personal my bucket list, blueprint, bucket list. They may be other people that you want to meet as you go through and you keep populating them. So psychology tells us if we think about something, what is the likelihood that we're going to actually do it?

13:26

Higher than if we don't think about it, right.

13:28

Good boy. Absolutely.

13:32

Very

13:33

bright. You're

13:38

well, I think if I thought about it, and I'm like, I'm gonna climb Mount Everest, I probably give myself like a 2% chance that I climb Mount Everest.

13:45

Okay, so if you actually wrote it down, I wrote

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it down.

13:50

Do you think that percentage will climb

13:53

I think it go up slightly. I don't know what it would be but it definitely go up from 2%.

13:59

So if you was on your wall behind you every day, which you're looking at every day. Yeah. How would the percentage look then?

14:11

It probably go up. And I'd probably get annoyed that it's still there every now

14:19

boss forward, yeah, fantastic. Do you feel if you have ticked that and you have achieved it

14:27

pretty good because even on my normal to do list and I just checked something off, it feels good. It's just like, Oh, yeah,

14:34

it's great. Absolutely. And you're spot on. Again. With bucket listing, people automatically go to the travel and the wild, passionate. A travel will travels a bit. I've had more traveled since COVID-19. And before actually, virtually, I'm traveling virtually I'm talking to you in the US. I'm talking to people in the UK. It's it's been amazing. My team for my bucket list is depicted

14:59

that way. It's kind of nice to with all the virtual stuff. It is slightly exhausting sometimes. But I feel like I've connected with more people virtually in these last two months than I would have ever connected in real life sometimes because people are just more willing to have a conversation because like, we can sit around, you know, like in sweats and just hang out and have a conversation.

15:20

Exactly. So let me just come over to Aaron. So Aaron, let me see what letter Shall we on the spot work on? Okay, so L stands for leave a legacy. Hmm.

15:36

Well, I've been thinking a lot about this. I really, I mean, yeah, when I left my job, and then it's like, what would I want to do with my life? It's such a heavy question sometimes. So you picked what's your legacy, right. But like in general, I would just want to be remembered as a thoughtful, generous person that cares about my family and community and that can be small stuff like you know, having a family or you know, giving back to my community. So that's kind of what I have right now for what I'd like to leave as my legacy. But I think there's so much more work to be done. And if I actually thought about it and like kept a list, it might be a little bit more to find. Exactly. So just

16:15

listening to both of you talk about your letters. There's so much there, but you just never taken the time to step out. Sure.

16:24

Think about it and ask it. Yeah,

16:27

yeah. And that's exactly what we do with our programs. So you know, ranging from a three hour bucket board workshop, which we've had to pivot with our businesses, to be honest, everything before was up front and you know, contactable and you'd be in a room and high fiving and really getting the vibe going. So we've had to pivot and we're now running our programs online, and and they're working really well. They work. I'll be honest, not as effectively as us being all together in a room. You know, you take three hours out of your life and you give the undertaking you say, I'm turning everything else off. I'm going to sit there, I'm going to spend time on myself with other people. I mean, I can imagine having you two on one of the board, board workshops, you'd be seeing each other and you say, Oh, no, you can't do that. You can do that. All you got to do that. I'm going to copy that again. Oh, yeah. I might have griped on them. Are you going? They fantastic. That's just

17:30

where were they make?

17:32

Sorry, where do they where did this all start? What city?

17:37

Okay, so Dr. Bell lives in Melbourne, in Australia. And he's been doing this for just over 10 years. So this all started out from him running his own personal fitness businesses decided to step out of that was looking to improve started to do a lot of self study. Development, looking to improve himself took a punt on running his own first bucket list board shop and someone turned around and said to him, Hey, Trevor, you should do bucket lists for your the bucket, the sky. And 10 years later, he is the bucket list guru. He's, he's amazing. He, as I said at the beginning, he changed my life in one hour. And it wasn't even directed at me. You were like,

18:34

Tracy, what did what was on your bucket list? Like what are a few things that you knocked off right away when you started?

18:40

Okay, what did I knock off straightaway? Interestingly enough, the first thing I knocked off was to become a certified bucket lists. Absolutely the number one, yes, I want to do this. I need to do this and I need to get out there and start helping other people learn how to live their life by yourself. And not by default. That was probably the number one thing that kept me going and sort of helped me to get my own back at this started. Interestingly enough, I mean, were there some fun things like I started doing the otic stuff. So I've never been known not to be. I'm fun loving. I love to have fun. If you don't have fun doing it, don't do it. It's not worthwhile, idiotic stuff so I am absolutely petrified of mice. You know, all those cartoons you see of silly women jumping on benches. Now, that's me. Absolutely. Even if it's in a cage, I will jump on a chair. So I decided I wanted to get over my fear of mice for some reason. So our local pet shop has mice in cages. So one night I arranged with her to get a Mice out of the cage. And let me be in the shop with these mice for half an hour. And I'll be honest, I was petrified. Absolutely were alive. I mean, yeah, and I don't know where this fear or phobia came from, but I'm okay with a mouse now I can now walk into a picture and say, oh, bring a little mouse. So oh my god stuff unlocked something that I was absolutely petrified. Oh, that's so funny. It's, it's amazing. As you go through all the layers, watch becomes unlocked. The other interesting program that we run is what we call a reverse bucket list. And that is about recognizing and giving gratitude to what you've already achieved in your life. And at this particular time in the world, I think this is a really nice offering to have out there. asking people to sit back and say, hey, there's a lot going on. On, shut the noise down. Let's spend some time reflecting on how wonderful your life has been to date and reflect on exactly those levels on what you've achieved. And it's lovely to everyone becomes very Oh, well, I've actually achieved a lot in my life and I never really thought about it. Yeah, there's a lot of people out there that don't do that. They don't haven't given themselves the time to give themselves a pat on the back. Yes.

21:30

That's so important. Being grateful for what you've done. Well, yes. Do you see a pattern in the types of people I mean, I know everyone could benefit from this. But as far as your experience being a coach, who comes to you, young people, business owners, people actually planning their bucket list across the board.

21:49

We it ranges from children, which are absolutely amazing because their imagination is out there. It's so much fun with the kids. All the way up. To fortune 500 with teams, CEOs wanting to to help their teams travel at the moment is running what we call my life plan bucket list with a big company in Las Vegas. Actually, I'm the CEO wants to help his team come together over zoom, one hour a week for the next 12 weeks for something enjoyable. I think it's a really interesting thing. He wants a positive excuse to bring his team together. Sure. Over zoom, Mm hmm. Great way so and the team's getting to know each other a lot better as well. Again, when you're in a team environment, and you're busy, busy, busy, busy, how often you actually spend the time and say, Hey, how are you? How you going? Are you okay? And this is the framework that enables you to do that. So yeah, all the way up to fortune 500

23:01

I have to admit I love working with the kids. The kids are just mind boggling. It was a great it must be

23:07

for the kids to start so young and just like all they can only imagine like this is what I can do with my life and by the time they're like adults it's like I did so much and I can do so much more now. Yeah, give them a good imagination

23:20

living within living with all the possibilities is you probably start living a little bit differently and maybe a little bit more open mindedly

23:27

Why don't you mentioned you did Aaron did something? I don't know how it was similar, but like almost similar to like a Tony Robbins thing she did. It's called landmark. And she did this whole program where I mean, you can go into it more. I don't know much. I didn't do it.

23:41

Yeah. Well, actually, my coach in my program called landmark was from Australia. super great energy. I feel like there's a lot of like good vibes in Australia are being amazing. So yeah, the bucket list kind of reminded me of that because it's reflective. It's it's kind of opens your mind to possibilities and that was kind of the whole thing. It was a little bit more self work first and then the end of the program was what can you give out to the community and you had like a project. So kind of it was actually around the time where I had ended my job and it all came together and ultimately resulted in our starting the company which we've been doing now for three years. So it kind of kicks you in the butt forces you to create something and live a life of your own design is definitely one of the themes. Exactly.

24:33

One of the other areas it's rather interesting when we run these programs, we can we run them with families, and that can be really interesting as well where you've got mom and dad and the three kids. The kids you get to your travel adventures, what would you like to do when you come out of COVID-19 and the kids are all coming up with Disneyland Disneyland is going to be booming. Disneyland Disneyland Disneyland. To say, Oh, I think we just like to go camping an hour up the road.

25:05

Yeah.

25:07

You know, the parents have a stealing so I'm not quite sure but the kids are still Yeah, just do it all. Yeah, let's go. And

25:17

so with your bucket list now do you have like day to day stuff that you're trying to like, you know what day I'm gonna try to achieve this in my life?

25:27

Yeah, absolutely.

25:30

All right. So I'm all about total disclosure. One of the things I had on my bucket list was to actually be a guest on a podcast show. So thank you very much here. Check.

25:44

Oh, hashtag ticket before you kick it.

25:51

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I sit here and I think back six months ago, more than I ever have imagined myself. I will be sitting here at 6am on public Cast having them all. absolutely loving it watching this, actually the sun's just come up. It's quite delightful. Yeah, that before COVID-19 I set one bucket was seeing about I wanted to read 53 books in the year because I've stopped reading. I mean, it technology, I love it. But I found I was not getting the energy from screens that I do from a book. I'm an old fashioned love to turn the pages over in a book. So I set that before COVID-19 and I just started book 27

26:41

I mean,

26:43

and it was it's easy. It's so much easier that if you think 53 walks, how many weeks in the year I'll never do it. It is really easy. 5050 pages a day is not that hard. Yeah, maybe when you you focus on I really want to do this not I have To do this, why the young person?

27:03

Yeah, can do this. We can read, we're able and we're learning so much. I mean, we've really ramped up our reading game. I'm curious, do you have any favorites in the 21? Seven that you've already read or any favorite books?

27:16

Yeah. That's a really interesting question. I have so what I do is I read one fiction and then one nonfiction, okay. For me, it's too easy to get swept up in the the non fiction meter base and forget, there's so much wonderful literature out there the world of fantasy, and it's time to switch off and do so. Yeah. So that's my approach, and have to say, at the moment, and I've only finished it yesterday. I don't know if you're familiar with Hilary Mantel's work. Right writes about basically around Thomas Cromwell and Henry the Eighth It's a trilogy, the first book I read last year, I've gone blank. This fictional wolf Hall was the one I finished yesterday, which is the second in the trilogy is called bringing up the bodies and it's about how anberlin ended up not being such a happy lady at the end, and how chrome will add that impact. So I'd have to say at the moment, that's probably my number one book.

28:29

I like your strategy with the switching back and forth because I can definitely get caught up in in the business books and then and then I read a nonfiction and it was so refreshing and I sped right through it. Yeah.

28:41

So again, these pack for me, these patterns start to happen and you're absolutely spot on air and around. If you're doing it, not because you have to it becomes a pleasure because there are so many pleasures in life. Probably another good example, to share with the listeners. From the my bucket list is random acts of kindness. So K is random acts of kindness. So I have a little local market that I get on used to go to no open again yet every week and I buy some fresh roses. They're amazing. They have the most amazing aroma and they've given me such joy for something so simple and chapped it opens the store opens at 5am and his boss doesn't come in until about seven 730. So he doesn't get a chance to get a cup of tea or coffee before she arrives. I go and buy him his cup of tea, or I buy roses and that's just a random act of kindness and I walk away with my beautiful roses. He has a cup of tea, we have a laugh and a chat and you feel you feel fantastic. You feel like you're floating on air and It's no trouble to do something like that. So That's one of my favorite, favorite.

30:02

Yeah. Isn't it crazy doing something for someone else giving can make you feel so good? It's almost like a treat for yourself.

30:10

Yeah, even just having a conversation in the street with somebody, you know, again, during komen, we have quite an elderly population around here. Just a little old man walking on a Zimmer frame about two weeks ago, walking up the street just saying hello to people now. I think I think there are three things that have come out of COVID-19 people now actually look at each other in the eye and say, Hello. They tip their hat. So I mean, you know, in the US lots of baseball caps, you can't touch or have a lot more tipping of the cap. And the old fashioned pay side has come back. I've noticed as you're walking past people, people are going face.

30:51

Yeah, cuz it's, it's weird with the mask on so you're never you never know if they're smiling. So you got to like, really show them like, Hey, I'm not angry. I Just like a non

31:03

techie in a mask no I have not seen anyone look happy in a month so you know it's up to us certified bucket list coaches and people like you after today that know about us. That's great. How do we start to we're in a you know, we how to make that new home more comfortable for people. I think that's a big thing for me totally.

31:25

Well, before I ask our million dollar question, I'm curious where can people find the bucket list? Well, bucket list coach calm but like, as far as signing up, is it like a program where you have to like join a group a certain time or is it like open for all anytime?

31:41

Yeah. Okay. So as I run my business, I post events on my website. But I am open to running events say if say if you came to me and said look, I'd like you to run a bucket list for workshop for myself and my family. We would then work out when To put together what the dates and so forth, so I'm completely flexible. And I think flexibility is the key thing in this business. If someone is looking to one to do this, they're doing it at a time to suit them. So for me posting programs all the time is not necessarily going to attract that many people because it might be the right time for them. So basically, it's around running private and public public programs. Oh, but, you know, I have a couple of programs up on my site at the moment, which people can see but more than happy, basically steer them to my website, drop me a line if there's something they'd like me to run independently. I'm more than happy to do that.

32:42

Yeah, I mean, let's start helping people design it. Yes.

32:46

No, I'm really interested. I think it's such a cool thing. I would love to do it with like family or even like a small work team. Totally valuable. Um, so I'd love to ask you, if you have any tips or a lot of our listeners are budding on Foreigners or maybe people in a transition time so first I want to know if you have any tips or takeaways for someone starting their own business. And then also we want to hear your call me crazy story. So maybe a time when you were called crazy by your own friends and family and you took a risk anyways.

33:20

Okay, yeah, that's probably a $2 million question one. Yeah.

33:26

Is that us or Australia?

33:30

Okay, um

33:35

I think my biggest tip No, I don't think I know my biggest tip would be Believe in yourself. What the voice that you have in your mind and the feeling you have in your gut followers. I mean, I'm the first to admit. I have always done that with my life. I am not University educated. I always followed my heart and mind to say, I'm going to give this a go. And I'll be honest, I stuffed up things. And those that know me again, I'm totally transparent, so many things. And if I had my time over, I probably stuffed them up again. Because that's how you learn. But if you believe in yourself, and that takes a lot of time to where you get to the point where you totally believe in yourself, and I'm, I'm 61 years of age and I totally believe in myself. And that takes a lot for somebody to say that so but the reason I say that is because I know I can change people's lives and help them to get to 61 years of age and feel as fantastic and believe in themselves as much as I do. So that's probably a bit of it might sound a bit airy fairy but for people that really, really, really want to make a difference you can. And again, listen to people and talk to people. You don't have all the answers. I that was one of my downfalls. I thought I had all the answers. And I learned the hard way. I don't believe that anymore. It's Oh, I don't know how to do that. Right. There's an expert out there and an attendant will be an entrepreneur. That's the expert that I will go to. So that's that's my grade up and believe in yourself.

35:43

Call me my call me crazy story. Oh, man. Um,

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all right. So I grew up in the business world when it was A totally male dominated industry that I was in. So I worked for a company that built and operated shipping terminals. So you know, the big cargo ships you see and so forth. I cut my teeth in that business here in Australia, and it was very unionized and totally male dominated. When I first started work, women were not allowed to wear trousers or pants. Holy crap, we had to wear skirts, and I'll be the first to admit I did not have good things. One of my jobs was I would have to go out on a tugboat to the side of the container ship and if you've ever looked up the side of it, what a container ship Yes, that's a long way up the side of the ship. I used to have to board the ship by climbing up the ladder, but on a smart scale and on Patreon pies. Oh my God, my son heights to phobias. I know. I had to wear a skirt climbing up the side of these ships. I did it three times I've been up on how old was I 17. And you know, at that age, you don't speak up or you didn't speak up or raise any issues. So I was absolutely devastated because at one time I turned around and I could see all the men in the tank shoes looking up. So you want to say Call me crazy. I got to the top of the ship on the third time and the last time I ever wore a skirt. And I turned around and I said to a crew member, please give me your overalls. So you know the overalls that workman wear these overalls, I put the overalls on and I yelled back down to the the guys that were in the tugboat. This is a Last time you will ever see me climbing up the side of the ship in a skirt. Because Next time I will be your boss. I like to use I was alright. We had the best time we had the utmost respect for each other. Because I at that time, that's all I could do. I if I'd gone to my boss at the time, not belittling them, but it was a sign of the times it was Get over yourself tough. Thankfully, things have moved on a lot since then. So yeah, again, following up I knew I just knew I was never going to let another woman go through this and that I then focused on becoming their boss, making sure that women could wear trousers when they're in these situations and yeah, call me crazy, but it worked.

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That's huge. I mean, I'm sure a lot of women after you appreciated that

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salutely Yeah, yeah. And the man loved it. They I can remember some of the guys actually saying to me also, you have to be joking love. Am I going to work for a woman? It's like

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yeah, sure them. Yeah.

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And we're still mates today. It's it's really interesting. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

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Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Their website is at bucket list. Coach comm backslash Tracy white. Yes, it is. Okay, we'll put that in the description. So everybody can go there and shoot us an email message you talk to you maybe plan a bucket list session. I love it.

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Fantastic.

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You are such an amazing guest. If this was your first podcast, I think you should do it more often because it was lovely to talk to you. So thank you so much.

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I've enjoyed it. It's been so much fun. actually feels like I'm sitting there with you in person. So yeah. Really enjoyed it. Fantastic. Have a great day.

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Yeah. Bye.